[War_ooc] Countries, timeline stuff, etc.

[lee.tarnow at utoronto.ca]

Well it is ONLY 4 years... it might be safer to just not touch it.

Quoting John Penta <john.penta at gmail.com>:

> Yeah, the potato thing kinda breaks all comparisons. I know the Mormons came
> out of that time period, but the Great Awakenings from which I named the
> phenomenon lasted for decades, so I'm not sure anything truly correlates.
>
> To be honest, though, I'm wary of applying primarily economic theories to
> religion. It seems too simplistic.
>
> John
>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 9:32 PM, <lee.tarnow at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> I'd disagree. If you look at credit cycle theory and Austrian Business
>> Cycle Theory, they would have seemed to predicted this, so maybe you
>> could extrapolate spiritual behaviour during these periods. As well,
>> you could draw comparisons to the panic of 1837. Maybe take a look at
>> religious response during the 1840s?
>>
>> Mind you, there was that potato thing, and the subsequent nativist
>> response... ;)
>>
>> Quoting John Penta <john.penta at gmail.com>:
>>
>> > That sounds uncomfortably like Obama's guns and religion comment from the
>> > campaign trail, but anyway.
>> >
>> > Kiiiind of. "Explain America!" is the easy reply to anyone who says
>> > religious belief must decline with improved wealth, but you're also
>> seeing
>> > it in Eastern Europe and Russia. Admittedly, that's happening after
>> > Communism, but in those areas religious belief is coming back with force.
>> >
>> > I did not say that #1 was a dramatic swing. It's the beginning of what
>> would
>> > take years to really change.
>> >
>> > It's a pendulum swing. Anyone who says the world will become boomingly
>> > religious in 4 years is missing something. It takes longer.
>> >
>> > But to say that the recession, one of as deep a depth and long in length
>> as
>> > posited (stretching it to 2010 makes it last fairly long, if I recall my
>> > economic history) might not lead people towards religion and
>> traditionalism,
>> > even in normally secularist areas (perhaps as a reaction to their
>> parents'
>> > secularism)? I don't think you can be so sure.
>> >
>> > The fact is, so far as I understand it, that nobody really looked at this
>> > the last time economic conditions were this bad this long (the 1930s), so
>> we
>> > have no idea beyond anecdote.
>> >
>> > John
>> > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Daniel Sanderson <
>> > dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >>   But haven't we always seen this amongst the groups you've mentioned?
>> My
>> >> uncle was recently in Africa, and when he came back we had a night for
>> him
>> >> to show us all his photos, and this of course came up, as there were
>> >> shrines, churches, pictures and symbols everywhere. I would have thought
>> it
>> >> has always been the case that those who live a hard life depend a lot
>> more
>> >> on religion to help them, I guess, see the bright side of life (no Monty
>> >> Python jokes intended).
>> >> This isn't so much my view on inserting this into the game, more just a
>> >> contribution to argument :D
>> >>
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